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		<title>By: Religion Saves - Review &#124; The Rieslands</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Aug 2009 20:55:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2009 22:24:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Zack</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 19:02:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK. I updated the post, but not the way I wanted to :0(</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK. I updated the post, but not the way I wanted to :0(</p>
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		<title>By: Zack</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 11:19:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey friends!

Thanks for being patient. I&#039;m almost done with my post on this... I just don&#039;t want to be flippant with such a weighty topic!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey friends!</p>
<p>Thanks for being patient. I&#8217;m almost done with my post on this&#8230; I just don&#8217;t want to be flippant with such a weighty topic!</p>
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		<title>By: Zack</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 19:28:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for asking Wendy!

I&#039;m planning to write a lengthy response this weekend.

I want to cover all my bases so I don&#039;t make any blanket statements that might confuse people about what the Bible teaches!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for asking Wendy!</p>
<p>I&#8217;m planning to write a lengthy response this weekend.</p>
<p>I want to cover all my bases so I don&#8217;t make any blanket statements that might confuse people about what the Bible teaches!</p>
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		<title>By: Wendy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wendy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 19:14:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK I&#039;m dying to hear YOUR opinion....
Do you think that using ANY method of bc is like playing God or do you draws some lines as some of us discussed (natural vs. chemical, preventative vs. killing life that has already begun....)...??</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK I&#8217;m dying to hear YOUR opinion&#8230;.<br />
Do you think that using ANY method of bc is like playing God or do you draws some lines as some of us discussed (natural vs. chemical, preventative vs. killing life that has already begun&#8230;.)&#8230;??</p>
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		<title>By: Lilli</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lilli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Jun 2009 13:18:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some times I have to wonder where this idea of small families being more &quot;responsible&quot; came from.  Some one wrote earlier that if you wait to have kids until financially you can then you will never have them.  I could not agree more.  Having children and raising them up God&#039;s way takes sacrifice on lots of fronts.  We as a people can be so very selfish sometimes.  

On the Pill, I have always had a hard time making that call.  I haven&#039;t done the research that I should, but if the pill causes a fertalized egg to not implant then I say it is wrong.  I know lots of women who have become pregant while taking the pill so obviously it doesn&#039;t always do this, but I personally wouldn&#039;t take it even if there was a chance of it.  I also think that physically it may not be a great idea.  I get very sick when I take anything that raises my hormones.  Any pill that can make me feel that terrible can&#039;t be good for me!  

Abortion in form is wrong.

On other methods, I think the calender method and condoms are a totally exceptable way of preventing pregnancy.  

I don&#039;t think that God calls every couple to have a house full of kids, but I do think that often we act as if He doesn&#039;t get a say in the matter.  We decide on our own to have the normal 2 kids a dog and a cat.  I think He often lets us have our way and we miss out on the joy and blessing that He had planned for us!  

I don&#039;t know what He has in store for Jas and I or how many kids we will have, but I do know that my goal is to raise them to be people loving, gospel proclaiming, Bible beliving Jesus lovers!  My prayer is that through our children God&#039;s kingdom will be furthered!  If that happens through only our Ada and Isabelle that is fine.  If He chooses to give us 4 more (I may pull my hair out), but that is ok w/ me! 

I think we need to stop worring about not having kids and worry about what do do w/ the ones He has blessed us with. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some times I have to wonder where this idea of small families being more &#8220;responsible&#8221; came from.  Some one wrote earlier that if you wait to have kids until financially you can then you will never have them.  I could not agree more.  Having children and raising them up God&#8217;s way takes sacrifice on lots of fronts.  We as a people can be so very selfish sometimes.  </p>
<p>On the Pill, I have always had a hard time making that call.  I haven&#8217;t done the research that I should, but if the pill causes a fertalized egg to not implant then I say it is wrong.  I know lots of women who have become pregant while taking the pill so obviously it doesn&#8217;t always do this, but I personally wouldn&#8217;t take it even if there was a chance of it.  I also think that physically it may not be a great idea.  I get very sick when I take anything that raises my hormones.  Any pill that can make me feel that terrible can&#8217;t be good for me!  </p>
<p>Abortion in form is wrong.</p>
<p>On other methods, I think the calender method and condoms are a totally exceptable way of preventing pregnancy.  </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think that God calls every couple to have a house full of kids, but I do think that often we act as if He doesn&#8217;t get a say in the matter.  We decide on our own to have the normal 2 kids a dog and a cat.  I think He often lets us have our way and we miss out on the joy and blessing that He had planned for us!  </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know what He has in store for Jas and I or how many kids we will have, but I do know that my goal is to raise them to be people loving, gospel proclaiming, Bible beliving Jesus lovers!  My prayer is that through our children God&#8217;s kingdom will be furthered!  If that happens through only our Ada and Isabelle that is fine.  If He chooses to give us 4 more (I may pull my hair out), but that is ok w/ me! </p>
<p>I think we need to stop worring about not having kids and worry about what do do w/ the ones He has blessed us with. <img src='http://www.therieslands.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Zack</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 21:24:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Awesome Lauren!

2 silver stars for going the extra mile there :0)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Awesome Lauren!</p>
<p>2 silver stars for going the extra mile there :0)</p>
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		<title>By: Lauren D</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lauren D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 21:01:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I googled NFP because I was curious too.  It&#039;s Natural Family Planning (and 1 COR 7:5 is: Do not deprive one another except with consent for a time, that you may give yourselves to fasting and prayer; and come together again so that Satan does not tempt you because of your lack of self-control
They even have a website! 
http://www.nfpandmore.org/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I googled NFP because I was curious too.  It&#8217;s Natural Family Planning (and 1 COR 7:5 is: Do not deprive one another except with consent for a time, that you may give yourselves to fasting and prayer; and come together again so that Satan does not tempt you because of your lack of self-control<br />
They even have a website!<br />
<a href="http://www.nfpandmore.org/" rel="nofollow">http://www.nfpandmore.org/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Lauren D</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lauren D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 20:31:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To John:
Birth control pills don&#039;t make all women moody.  In fact, it evened out my moods and eliminated PMS.  They do adversely affect some women though.

And I could be wrong, but if you get pregnant while on the pill, although you should stop taking the pill immediately, it doesn&#039;t always abort the baby if you&#039;ve taken the pill for a few weeks before you realize you&#039;re pregnant.  I think I heard somewhere that the morning after pill is a super high dose of birth control, not a regular dose.  Of course, these are all things I have heard or read, not researched.

As for me, I believe any form of birth control that prevents an egg from being fertilized is fine.  Any form of birth control that prevents a fertilized egg from living and growing is murder.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To John:<br />
Birth control pills don&#8217;t make all women moody.  In fact, it evened out my moods and eliminated PMS.  They do adversely affect some women though.</p>
<p>And I could be wrong, but if you get pregnant while on the pill, although you should stop taking the pill immediately, it doesn&#8217;t always abort the baby if you&#8217;ve taken the pill for a few weeks before you realize you&#8217;re pregnant.  I think I heard somewhere that the morning after pill is a super high dose of birth control, not a regular dose.  Of course, these are all things I have heard or read, not researched.</p>
<p>As for me, I believe any form of birth control that prevents an egg from being fertilized is fine.  Any form of birth control that prevents a fertilized egg from living and growing is murder.</p>
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		<title>By: Zack</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 19:19:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Josh!

What&#039;s NFP?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Josh!</p>
<p>What&#8217;s NFP?</p>
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		<title>By: Josh R</title>
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		<dc:creator>Josh R</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 19:01:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>NFP is a violation of 1 COR 7:5 isn&#039;t it?  

I think in general this is a matter of personal conscience.  The bible tells us that we are to value children.   Our world really doesn&#039;t.  We need to be sure to make whatever choice we make in light of biblical values.

I think it is something that husband and wife should give serious thought to, it is not as trivial or casual as our culture treats it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NFP is a violation of 1 COR 7:5 isn&#8217;t it?  </p>
<p>I think in general this is a matter of personal conscience.  The bible tells us that we are to value children.   Our world really doesn&#8217;t.  We need to be sure to make whatever choice we make in light of biblical values.</p>
<p>I think it is something that husband and wife should give serious thought to, it is not as trivial or casual as our culture treats it.</p>
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		<title>By: Wendy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wendy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 18:07:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, Zack, you always have such great thought provoking questions! I personally draw the line between preventative vs. after-the-fact birth control methods. Don&#039;t forget, nursing is another God-given method of birth control, too. (At least it was for me... all the way up until I chose to wean my babies at 17 months.) And in the Bible you have many examples of wet nurses as well as mother&#039;s who nursed their babies up until 5 years of age. I guess it all goes back to the &quot;heart&quot; and &quot;motives&quot;. Take the example of Onan(?) in the Bible who disobeyed God when he spilled his &quot;seed.&quot; His motives were clearly selfish. If our heart is set on the things of God then we pray to line our hearts up with God&#039;s, and not the other way around. Then God&#039;s desire becomes our desire and we trust God to fulfill his purpose in us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, Zack, you always have such great thought provoking questions! I personally draw the line between preventative vs. after-the-fact birth control methods. Don&#8217;t forget, nursing is another God-given method of birth control, too. (At least it was for me&#8230; all the way up until I chose to wean my babies at 17 months.) And in the Bible you have many examples of wet nurses as well as mother&#8217;s who nursed their babies up until 5 years of age. I guess it all goes back to the &#8220;heart&#8221; and &#8220;motives&#8221;. Take the example of Onan(?) in the Bible who disobeyed God when he spilled his &#8220;seed.&#8221; His motives were clearly selfish. If our heart is set on the things of God then we pray to line our hearts up with God&#8217;s, and not the other way around. Then God&#8217;s desire becomes our desire and we trust God to fulfill his purpose in us.</p>
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		<title>By: Jennifer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jennifer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 17:42:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The argument against birth control (besides natural family planning) is generally that you should not chemically or physically alter your body in an attempt to try and prevent pregnancy and that you should trust in gods will and for him to know what you can handle.  Trust in him to provide for you etc...
  
The argument for birth control (preventative methods) is generally that if it is god&#039;s will for you to get pregnant then it won&#039;t matter if you are on the pill, condoms etc..

As far as the morning after pill and abortion are concerened, I don&#039;t think the bible would support either one of them.

Note: the pill is not a purely preventative method of birth control, the pill trys to prevent fertilized egg implantation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The argument against birth control (besides natural family planning) is generally that you should not chemically or physically alter your body in an attempt to try and prevent pregnancy and that you should trust in gods will and for him to know what you can handle.  Trust in him to provide for you etc&#8230;</p>
<p>The argument for birth control (preventative methods) is generally that if it is god&#8217;s will for you to get pregnant then it won&#8217;t matter if you are on the pill, condoms etc..</p>
<p>As far as the morning after pill and abortion are concerened, I don&#8217;t think the bible would support either one of them.</p>
<p>Note: the pill is not a purely preventative method of birth control, the pill trys to prevent fertilized egg implantation.</p>
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		<title>By: Zack</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 16:06:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great thoughts, Wendy. Thanks for sharing them!

I&#039;ll weigh in a little later, but just a clarification: I don&#039;t believe that things like the &#039;morning after&#039; pill are a different topic, in the sense that many people consider them to be perfectly acceptable forms of birth control. 

In fact, in the book, he notes certain cities where the number one form of &#039;birth control&#039; is abortion.

So I think that should be part of the conversation!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great thoughts, Wendy. Thanks for sharing them!</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll weigh in a little later, but just a clarification: I don&#8217;t believe that things like the &#8216;morning after&#8217; pill are a different topic, in the sense that many people consider them to be perfectly acceptable forms of birth control. </p>
<p>In fact, in the book, he notes certain cities where the number one form of &#8216;birth control&#8217; is abortion.</p>
<p>So I think that should be part of the conversation!</p>
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